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Who created The Astonishing Spider-Homo?

It'south a question that raises more answers than it really should.  On the surface of things information technology seems simple – Stan Lee says he had the concept and fleshed it out with Steve Ditko, who designed the visuals; thus the credit should read, "Created past Stan Lee and Steve Ditko" and, indeed, the official credit does read but that.  In the 1970s Jack Kirby began to muddied the waters past challenge that he, alone, created the Amazing Spider-Man and that Lee, and by proxy Ditko, stole the credit out from under him.  This resulted in rebuttals from Lee, simply Kirby didn't stammer.  Adding to the confusion was Joe Simon, who claimed that HE created the concept and saw Kirby pale information technology from him, and Lee and Ditko taking credit.  Simon based his claim on the fact that Jack Oleck and C.C. Beck had written and drawen, respectively, a character for him that was not used.  How Simon could merits credit for a graphic symbol written and drawn by others is across almost people, and when considering Simon's claims information technology is worth begetting in mind that he also claimed to have created Helm America on his own, sans whatever Kirby involvement, and that he besides created The Red Skull – Kirby certainly claimed that he had a large paw in Captain America and others all call back Ed Herron creating The Red Skull without Simon.

In the mid 1970s Stan began to jot downwardly his memories about the early days of Marvel Comics, including the creation of Spider-Homo, much to the overall annoyance of many, as he appeared to drag his ain interest to the detriment of others.  Fifty-fifty the usually silent Steve Ditko has now said his piece on the creation of the character, which was more a rebuttal to Jack Kirby'south claim that he'd created information technology and handed it to Ditko to draw.  As recently as the copyright merits that the Kirby family unit lodged confronting Marvel a claim was made for the graphic symbol and furthered to puzzle people as the Kirby'southward claimed Jack Kirby had an active hand in the writing and/or editing of the first dozen or and then issues, issues that acquit no Kirby hallmarks at all.

So, who did create The Astonishing Spider-Man?  No thing who says what, the confusion volition remain.  Unless noted otherwise quotes were taken from the Marvel vs Kirby case.

STAN LEE :  Martin said, "We're doing pretty skilful, allow's get some more than characters."  I was trying to think of something different.  I always hated teenage sidekicks, then I felt it would exist fun to practise a teenager who isn't a sidekick but who is the real hero. So that part was easy.  Martin said, 'You tin't have a teenager. A teenager can only exist a sidekick.' Then I told him I wanted him to have problems....he'd get ingrown toenails or an allergy attack while he was fighting. "Yous're crazy, Stan. That's not a hero, that's a supporting character. That's a comedy character."  But the toughest matter is dreaming upwardly a superpower.

And then I thought, what superpower can I give him? And it finally occurred to me, a guy who could stick to walls similar an insect, clamber on a wall and stick to a ceiling. I didn't recall ever having seen whatever character like that before.  I thought that's what I'll practice. I'm going to become a teenager who can crawl on walls.  But and then the 2nd virtually important affair is a title. Titles are very -- the names of the characters are very important. So I went down the list. Could I call him Mosquito Man? Insect Human? Fly Human? And I got to Spider-Human being. It sounded dramatic. And I remember I had read a pulp magazine when I was a kid called Spiderman.  The guy didn't have a superpower. He was just a guy who went around fighting bad guys. But I thought Spiderman sounds cracking, I thought Spiderman would be a expert strip.

JACK KIRBY :  That was cooked upwards by me! Spider-Man was discussed between Joe and myself. Spider-Human being was non a product of Curiosity. [i]

JOE SIMON :  I had done the Silver Spider for Harvey. I turned it in to Harvey in pencil. Charlie Beck did the pencils for me. So when Goldwater was at Archie's, he asked me to practise a superhero for him. I took the Silver Spider which was merely languishing at Harvey's and changed the proper noun to the Fly. I gave Charlie Beck's pencils - it was a ten folio story - to Kirby and told him to change information technology to the Fly. And then Kirby did that. Then when Stan Lee asked for characters, Kirby just gave him Beck'due south Silver Spider!

Silver Spider was what Jack Kirby took over to Stan, and and then he gave it to Ditko. I spoke to Steve Ditko a couple of months agone and I asked him the story that he knows. He said Stan Lee gave him the pencils that Jack Kirby had given him, and Ditko said, "Hey, this is Simon's Wing!" And so Stan said: "Well, why don't you just create a new costume." [two]

JACK KIRBY :  I took Spider-Man from the Silverish Spider - a script past Jack Oleck that we hadn't used in Mainline. That's what gave me the idea for Spider-Man. I've nonetheless got that script. [iii]

JOE SIMON :  The Wing was originally chosen the Silver Spider, and so it was taken to Curiosity subsequently we inverse the proper noun. And became Spider-Human being. Stan Lee chosen me and asked me who created Spider-Man. I said: "Why do y'all ask?" He said that Jack Kirby in an interview with Volition Eisner for his magazine said that Simon and Kirby created Spider-Human.

Kirby told Eisner that Simon & Kirby created Spider-Homo for Crestwood Publications. That was completely incorrect. He just doesn't remember. [iv]

JACK KIRBY :  Information technology was the final thing Joe and I had discussed. We had a script called "The Silver Spider." "The Silver Spider" was going into a mag called Black Magic. Black Magic folded with Crestwood, and we were left with the script. I believe I said this could become a thing called Spider-Man, see, a superhero character. I had a lot of faith in the superhero graphic symbol, that [superheroes] could be brought back, very, very vigorously. They weren't being done at the time. I felt they could regenerate, and I said Spider-Homo would be a fine grapheme to start with. But Joe had already moved on. So the idea was already there when I talked to Stan.

STAN LEE :  I gave Kirby Spider-Man beginning. I told Jack I had this character I wanted to exercise, I described Spider-Human being, and I said, "You know, Jack, what I want y'all to do for one time-don't draw him the way y'all draw all these characters," because Jack drew the nearly handsome, heroic, glamorous heroes you'll ever find. I wanted Spider-Man to be just an ordinary guy-a piddling chip of a nebbish, no broad shoulders, glasses. And Jack brought in a page or two of Spider-Man and he sure equally hell didn't hear me, considering the character looked similar Captain America in a Spider-Human being suit. I said, "Expect, Jack, forget it. Y'all have enough work."

Then, I asked Steve Ditko to do information technology. To this day, I don't know who made up the Spider-Man costume. It might accept been Kirby who did those beginning few pages and Ditko might accept copied Kirby's costume. Or Ditko might have just made up the costume and disregarded what Kirby did. I can't remember. [five]

JACK KIRBY :  The only book I didn't work on was Spider-Man, which Steve Ditko did. Only Spider-Human being was my cosmos. [6]

STAN LEE : I hyphenated Spider-Human being for very distinctive reasons, specific reasons. I didn't want information technology to resemble Superman. I was afraid Spiderman and Superman were a fleck like anyhow, then past putting the hyphen in, it makes them more different.  And again, I went to Jack, and I gave information technology to him.  And I said, Jack, now you lot ever draw these characters so heroically, but I don't want this guy to be too heroic-looking. He's kind of a nebbishy guy.

I saw a few pages; I hated the way he was doing it. Not that he did it badly, Jack, who glamorizes everything, fifty-fifty though he tried to nerd him upwards, the guy looked still a trivial bit besides heroic for me.  He didn't make the teenager await as wimpy or every bit nerdy as I idea he should.  And I realize that actually isn't Jack's style. Jack by and large draws glamorous heroic Captain America type. Non that he couldn't have fatigued it, but he would accept had to strength himself. So I figured I will get somebody that it comes piece of cake to.  And nobody, Jack nor I nor everyone, thought that Spider-Man was going to exist a big strip, so information technology didn't matter. So I said, "Forget it, Jack. I will give it to someone else."

Jack didn't care. He had so much to do.  He said okay and he went back to Fantastic Four or Thor or whatever he was drawing, and I gave it to Steve Ditko. And Steve had that kind of bad-mannered feeling.  Information technology was just right for Spider-Man, and so I gave it to Steve. His style was really more than really what Spider-Man should have been. So Steve did the Spider-Homo affair.

JACK KIRBY :  I created Spider-Human being. I drew the first Spider-Man comprehend. I created the grapheme. I created the costume. I created all those books, simply I couldn't do them all. We decided to requite the book to Steve Ditko who was the right man for the task. He did a wonderful job on that.  He was a wonderful artist, a wonderful conceptualist. Information technology was Steve Ditko that made Spider-Human the well-known character that he is. [seven]

STAN LEE :  In no way, shape, manner or means did Jack Kirby create Spider-Human being. I don't fifty-fifty know how he can dare to say that. It is the ane strip that we did that he had virtually nil to do with at all, except for a few pages that nosotros never used. [eight]

STEVE DITKO :  Kirby had penciled v pages of his Spider-Man. How much was pure Kirby, how much Lee, is for them to resolve.

The splash was the only one with a drawing of Spider-Human being. A typical Kirby hero/activeness shot. Simply the costume is what is of import. I'g uncertain virtually the abstract breast design. The closest thing to it is the 1 on Ant-Human being. Kirby'due south Spider-Man had a web gun, never seen in employ. The but connectedness to the spider theme was the proper noun.

The other four pages showed a teenager living with his aunt and uncle. The aunt was a kindly sometime woman, the uncle was a retired police force captain, difficult, gruff, the General Thunderbolt Ross type (from the Hulk), and he was downwards on the teenager.

Next door or somewhere in the neighborhood there was a whiskered scientist-blazon involved in some kind of experiment or project. The end of the five pages depicted the kid going toward the scientist'due south darkened business firm.

That is the Spider-Man "given" to me.. [nine]

STAN LEE :  I saw a few pages, I hated the way he (Jack Kirby) was doing it. Not that he did it badly-information technology wasn't the character I wanted, it was also heroic.  I said, 'Jack, forget it. Y'all've other things to do. I'll get some other artist,' and I called Steve, and Steve did it the mode I wanted.

I wanted Spider-Man to exist fuel an ordinary guy-a fiddling bit of a nebbish, no broad shoulders, spectacles. And Jack brought in a folio or ii of Spider-Human and he certain as hell didn't hear me, because the character looked like Captain America in a Spider-Man suit.  To this day, I don't know who made upwardly the Spider-Man costume. It might have been Kirby who did those few pages and Ditko might accept copied Kirby'due south costume.  Or Ditko might have but made upward the costume and disregarded what Kirby did. I can't think. [x]

JOE SIMON :  Ditko said that they gave him a story that was the Fly. Kirby tells me that he gave that to Stan Lee. Stan Lee was looking for new characters. And the title was changed to Spider-Man. I talked with Jack last night and he admitted that was what happened. Simply he said he created the costume. [xi]

JACK KIRBY :  I never worked with Steve Ditko, he's kind of a shy fellow and I saw him very rarely.  He's very likable and very intelligent and I'm a real admirer of his work.  He's a very artistic human being.  Actually Steve created Spider-Man and he got to roll and the affair caught on because of what he did. [xii]

STAN LEE :  I never actually butted in much in costume design. It's the one matter, strangely enough, that I left upwards to the creative person. 'Draw me a Spiderman! What would a guy look like who's Spider-Man?' and Steve did that, and he happened to do it without the face up showing and I thought information technology was great. 'Fine! We'll go with that!' The reason it turned out to be brilliant-I think Spider-Man is one of the few characters that whatsoever kid in the earth can relate to, considering a black kid could read it, an Oriental kid, a Mexican kid, Latin - information technology could be anybody nether that mask.

I think it's very easy for kids to identify and to empathize with. It wasn't intentional. I wish I had been smart enough to think of information technology, but it worked out beautifully. And I'grand delighted that it did.

JACK KIRBY :  Steve Ditko did Spider-Man by himself. He congenital Spider-Homo. He'south the one that refined the grapheme. He'south a thorough professional and he'due south an intellect. He's a footling withdrawn just he has a fine mind. Stan Lee didn't even take to bother with information technology. Steve developed Spider-Homo - I simply did one cover.  In Steve's easily, I felt that Spider-Man would exist a slap-up book, and information technology was. I accept a high regard for Steve Ditko, and for John Romita, who is a fine artist. [xiii]

STEVE DITKO :  One of the first things I did was to work upwardly a costume. A vital, visual part of the character, I had to know how he looked, to fit in with the powers he had, or could have, the possible gimmicks and how they might be used and shown, earlier I did any breakdowns. For example: A clinging power, and so he wouldn't accept hard shoes or boots, a subconscious wrist-shooter versus a web gun and holster, etc.

The creation of the costume is a story in itself. Some brief points: The obvious one is the employ of the spider theme and the webbing design; I wasn't sure Stan would like the thought of roofing the character'southward face up but I did it because it hid an patently boyish face. It would also add mystery to the grapheme and allow the reader/viewer the opportunity to visualize, to "draw," his own preferred expression on Parker's face and, perhaps, become the personality behind the mask.

STAN LEE : Steve Ditko is a little bit of an enigma to me. He is a very individual person, I don't think he likes to be interviewed. He is incredibly talented and is a picayune chip like Ayn Rand - he's got definite convictions and he sticks with them and he'due south truthful to them. At that place is nothing I could say about Steve that wouldn't be totally positive and flattering... I'm a big fan of his. I don't call up Spider-Human being would have been equally successful if he hadn't drawn it in those early years. I think he gave it so much of the look it needed and the quality it needed.

Information technology'due south not common cognition, simply Steve's also a good story man. I didn't write out detailed scripts for him, I would but tell him (every bit I did with Jack) what I thought the story should be and he went habitation and drew it whatever way he wanted to... and the style he drew these things was fantastic.

It was very piece of cake for me to write them considering visually the stories were just so beautifully laid out and so articulate and exciting. There is a very famous scene he did in a Spider-Homo story where he was trapped in a subway tunnel and had to lift some heavy weight over his head. I simply mentioned the thought but Steve drew information technology incredibly…devoting I remember three or iv pages to Spider-Man lifting those heavy weights. I hadn't idea of devoting that many pages to it, just it was a vivid, bright move on Steve'southward role and made that episode absolutely unforgettable and as dramatic equally annihilation could have been. I'm still Steve's biggest fan. [fourteen]

I presented that to Martin Goodman and he said, "Nah, nobody likes spiders. That's no proficient."  So I said, "Well, information technology's not a example of people liking spiders. Remember there used to be a Greenish Hornet. I don't think people are turned on to hornets."  "Nah, I don't like information technology. Forget it." I had a feeling I hadn't hit pay dirt with that one as far as Martin was concerned, but I always liked the idea. So sometime later we had a mag we were going to drop. It was called Astonishing Fantasy.  Strangely plenty, Steve Ditko had drawn all the stories in that one, now that I recall. Anyway, it wasn't selling well, and we were going to drop it.

Now, when y'all drib a magazine, nobody cares what yous put in the last issue considering you're dropping it anyway.  And we threw it in Amazing Fantasy in the concluding consequence. And just for fun, I put him on the cover. I had Jack sketch out a encompass for it because I always had a lot of confidence in Jack'south covers.  And the book sold fantastically. And so a couple months later on when the sales figures were in, Martin came to me and he said, "Hey Stan, you lot recall that Spider-Man thought of yours that we both liked and so much? Why don't we make a series of it?"

JOHN ROMITA :  When it comes to characters, Stan would ask me "give me a character called The Shocker." I would create -- he would tell me the -- he has the powers to shock people with electrical bolts from his wrists. And then he shocks people.  So I would create a costume for it. I didn't create the name. I didn't create annihilation else. I didn't create the powers. I just created the costume. I put him in a quilted outfit, believe it or not. I idea information technology was going to be laughed at. Stan accustomed. He was quilted so he could absorb his own shocks. The next time it would be The Rhino. He is a man in a rhino skin. He could bulldoze himself through a wall. Just barrel caput right through a wall. I just did a guy in a rhino skin with his face showing through the open mouth of the rhino. Brilliant. Stan accustomed it. So he would accept the character and make him valid. He would make him valid past his behavior, past his dialogue, by his -- the results of what he does, the commotion he caused, and he would give the guy a personality. That's all it was.

STAN LEE :  I was surprised to learn, years subsequently, that even Jack Kirby also claimed a slice of the activity, saying he had done a Spider-Man comic years ago and that I had copied it. If it really existed, I've never seen information technology and no one'due south always shown it to me, and to this day, I don't know what he was talking almost.

I later learned that C. C. Beck and Joe Simon (Jack'southward ex-partner) had earlier worked on a character they chosen the Silvery Spider, merely it was an entirely different concept and the only similarity was the word "Spider." [xv]

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A few years ago the original art to the Amazing Spider-Man's commencement advent - Astonishing Fantasy #15 - was quietly and anonymously donated to the The states Library of Congress.  The donor was the person who, allegedly, had stolen the art from Marvel back in the twenty-four hours.  Co-ordinate to people in the know, the same person fabricated a addiction out of stealing art from Marvel, in particular Steve Ditko fine art, and managed to pay off their house from the proceeds of the sales from the stolen art.  Luckily this art wasn't sold, it was donated, complete, and now tin can be viewed.  However, when people rally against Curiosity Comics for denying Steve Ditko money from the many Spider-Man movies, call back that it wasn't just the visitor that stole and profited from Steve Ditko's creative vision.  The company profited from his creations, a trusted colleague profited from the concrete artwork that Ditko created.

Thieves come in many guises.  Imagine how much coin Ditko could take made by selling this art today?  Enough to be comfortable for a number of years, still, we do accept it to view and, for what I believe is the first fourth dimension, here's the entire original art, as drawn by Steve Ditko, for Amazing Fantasy #15, minus the cover.

Joe Simon's Spiderman logo

What Jack Kirby'south Spiderman might have looked similar- this isn't the original art, this is a fake presentation piece by a fan equally created a year or so agone

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[i] Will Eisner'due south Shop Talk (Nighttime Horse Pubs 2001)

[ii] Comic Volume Market #62 (Baronial 1998)

[iii] Comics Feature #44 (May 1986)

[iv] Comic Book Market place #62 (August 1998)

[v] Comics Scene Special #1 (1987)

[six] Comics Scene #two (March 1982)

[vii] The Comic Feature #25 (1984)

[viii] Comics Interview #5 (1983)

[ix] Robin Snyder's History of Comics #5 (May 1990)

[10] Comics Scene # (198 )

[eleven] Comic Book Marketplace #62 (August 1998)

[xii] Tim Skelly Show, WNUR-FM (May fourteen, 1971)

[xiii] Comics Feature #44 (May 1986)

[xiv] Comic Volume Marketplace #61 (July 1998)

[xv] Stan Lee Excelsior (Fireside, 2002)

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